31st July 2017 at 09:53 #4281michael45lseParticipant
Hi, is the £15, 000 cap on council Major Works in London, and £10, 000 outside
of London in a 5 year period, actual legislation? Or are these just guidelines,
and have now become redundant?31st July 2017 at 10:39 #4285DisneykParticipant31st July 2017 at 11:00 #4286Peter WrightParticipant
It is an unusal form of law called a ‘Direction’ which is issued by a Civil Servant using powers in an Act of Parliament. This one is (as most of them are) very poorly drafted. It is also effectyively redundant because it only appplied to specified grants of money from central government, which are no longer being made.
Peter Wright31st July 2017 at 16:38 #4287michael45lseParticipant
Thanks for replies. More comments welcome.
in the above document, the key part in paragraph 1 is:
“in a case where an application for assistance from a programme is made on or after the date these
Directions come into force.”
Our council is charging us well over £15, 000 which we can’t afford, so unless they are receiving funding/assistance from
a programme, ‘Florries law’ unfortunately must not count then.
Also, at the very bottom of page 2, it says:
“Decent Homes Backlog Funding provided through the 2013 Spending Round”
or assistance provided by:
any Secretary of State ; or
(ii) the Homes and Communities Agency
That means most people will have no chance to challenge high major works on these grounds in 2017 and beyond.
Who makes up these wafer thin laws that have no standing against today’s council major works charges?
This looks like a scam type of legislation that was made up to quell a few voices on its day and has now
become irrelevant. Such a shame the council can just dance around this. I think the politicians who made up this
law must be treating the council leaseholders like mugs.
Once again, more comments welcome, as currently in a pickle…11th September 2017 at 16:27 #4310emmajahParticipant
I have also just received an additional service charge bill for works which I was assured would cost no more than the £15k cap. This latest bill adds almost £3.9k to the overall bill – which was so, so high already.
I am currently studying, with no earned income, and have a very tight budget. My budget for the next few years was based on an assurance from a council employee (who I spoke to on the phone, sadly with no record of their name) that the cost of the works was capped at £15k. To get this extra bill is horribly unexpected, and puts me in a very difficult position. I will be trying to find out who to contact to find out how this has happened.17th September 2017 at 09:43 #4313Peter WrightParticipant
You can contact Leasehoder Services ideally in writing to ask what happened and why.
Peter Wright21st September 2017 at 19:20 #4317emmajahParticipant
UPDATE since my last post: I did indeed contact Camden and Leaseholder Services – as well as my MP. It appears that Florrie’s Law did have some application in my case – even if only because a member of council staff informed me that the cap would apply, citing Florrie’s Law. Camden has since withdrawn the invoice. What a relief.
I am very glad that I emailed Camden in the Spring to confirm what my final costs would be; that I remembered their answer; and that I queried the invoice. What a relief. It can often feel like we have no influence over what the council does, but in this case they had a record of the email exchange (ALWAYS get it in writing!) and stood by their promise to me in that exchange.
I am not sure how this will help leaseholders receiving estimates for upcoming work; but maybe it will help anyone receiving additional ‘final invoices’ which exceed the £15k cap. It is also a reminder to keep in touch with Camden, and to ask for as much information as possible at each stage.3rd October 2018 at 21:54 #4564Robw13Participant
Because we are now renting out our flat, Florrie’s Law does not apply to us. But does anyone know how the cap is paid for? Is it a subsidy from central government, paid for out of Camden’s general funds, or is it loaded onto other people’s bills?
We’ve just received a third bill for heating replacement on the Whittington estate. The original estimate of £26,745 has now ballooned to a total (so far) of £32,757 – an overrun of around 22%. I reckon I could have had 7 or 8 new boilers for that money in any other house!
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